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can i ignore testing on real-device? of course not and i still don’t know why testers still run their regression tests on simulator. i understand why developers use them: it’s cheap, it’s integrated within their ide, it’s great to debug their apps. but testers? let’s get serious. simulators are not the right platform to run tests in my opinion: way too many false-positive (and negative!), they come with stock os which is a problem on android where there are plenty of oem customizations, network connectivity comes from the client (pc or mac) and is very different from what you get on a real devices and finally the cpu/memory they simulate is not fit to run any serious performance testing. 3. gestures – there is support for gestures, not in the most easiest of the ways but i am able to flick, swipe, long tap etc. now tell me which other framework provides you even that? mobile apps rely heavily on gestures and support for all of them in a mobile test automation product is critical. it shouldn’t require any coding and should be easy to use. appium is not there yet and somehow i find it perfectly normal. i’ve seen the soasta engineering team working endless hours to support all of them across native, hybrid and mobile web apps on both ios and android. it’s a lot of work but this is the price to pay to offer ease of use and full support to testers and developers on all platforms. we today support 60+ standard gestures on both ios and android, so yes it is possible. 4. limited support for android < 4.1. now is it appium’s fault that google decided to come up with new framework 17+? also there are couple of projects underway to merge selendroid into appium, or using espresso. if you are motivated enough, you could create implement a page object design pattern and use selendroid and appium in the same test suite. when you build an automation framework, you look at your market and you’re trying to support the majority of your users. today, appium supports 18.2% of the market. if i’m a developer or a tester, is this sufficient? can i wait for appium to come up with support for < android 4.1? or should they not start their automation project until carriers and manufacturers decide to upgrade the phones of their users? should they mess with selendroid and read pages of support forums to make their solution work for android < 4.1? appium decided to invest in the future and that’s fine. but it means that testers will use the solution … in the future. keep the comments coming! state of testing survey 2013 december 6, 2013 1 reply there is a cool initiative going on from the folks at tea time with testers and qa intelligence . they’re launching a survey to help us understand the state of testing! what are the main challenges in the profession? where is the profession headed? i’m definitely supporting the initiative and interested in the results! i’m following the software testing trends via analysts but a survey coming from the community could be quite insightful! you can take the survey here. note: i have no affiliation with the survey. 4 reasons why appium is not ready for prime time december 5, 2013 6 replies as someone responsible for a mobile automation product, i spend a reasonable amount of time looking at the competition. i particularly like when i see some innovation, something that forces us to do even better and stay ahead of everyone else. usually, this innovation comes from small company or from the open source community. appium has been on my radar ever since it came out, but i waited for appium to get some maturity before trying it out. my conclusion is very simple: appium is not ready for prime time. it reminds me of selenium and webdriver in its infancy. not something you want to invest in for serious work. maybe fine for individual developers to build some smoke tests, but if you have an enterprise app for example, with complex gestures and a lot of tests to build and maintain, appium is not a good candidate, yet. these are the main shortcomings i’ve noted. some are really showstoppers for me. #1 – no support for intelligent waits. this is the biggest shortcoming and a big red flag. you can code some time delays (polling loops) and that’s it. a time delay is the worst mechanism to manage your page flow or address back-end response time variability. reasons being: how long should i wait after a back-end call? yeah, let’s put 10 seconds, it should be way enough. it might work for 90% of the time and you end up spending time investigating errors for 10% of your test cases. the goal of automation is to find regression issues in your app! not problems with your environment. how long should i wait to account for device performance? transition between pages depends a lot on the performance of your device. might be almost instantaneous on the latest ipad air for example with their new cpu and could be crawling on older ios devices. so should you add 2 secs each time you transition between screens in your app? should be enough right? sure, it should be fine. multiply these 2 seconds by your number of transitions, number of tests, number of devices and you end up with a lot of hours spent waiting! when you have 10000 tests to run during the night for example, that’s not something you can afford. especially when developers need feedback fast! without being able to wait on a ui element characteristics (visibility, value, etc.) to manage page flow or back-end call, an automation framework for mobile is pretty much worthless in my book. #2 – on ios, you can only execute one test at a time per mac. this is a limitation com

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